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Post by turecast on May 16, 2010 14:08:54 GMT -5
my way of seeing thing are
live like there is god the founding out there was no god then living like there was no god then founding there is one
same with the doll
agree/disagree
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Post by TailsDollFan on May 16, 2010 19:18:50 GMT -5
I never liked this saying, mostly because how much it resembles Pascal's Wager. Basically Pascal's Wager is "If you believe in god and he doesn't exist, you lose nothing. While if you don't believe in god and he doesn't exist, you lose everything." If God is all knowing, why would he accept people who are just using his religion as a safe, cowardly way out? In the end, you're not doing yourself a favor as God (If he exists) will know if you were cheating the whole time and probably still banish you. But I digress. In relations to the doll, I see where you're headed, but you could apply this to anywhere because of how loose the logic is. Better live like your home WILL have a fire than live like it won't and it happens. Better live like you WILL be hit by a car and die, rather than not and end up being hit. You get my point, right? It's all about paranoia, and my examples are much more real than the Tails Doll being merely a myth. But I do get what you're saying. You should just let go of these inhibitions and live life normally like you usually would. DOn't take safety precautions just incase he DOES exist, because whatever happens, happen. And it will benefit to your experience. I'm not going to buy a bunch of Sonic plushies for TD or loke both ways 50 times before crossing the street.
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Post by hydroxianchaos on May 16, 2010 21:28:59 GMT -5
I have proof of God existing, if you belive my theory, but let's not get into that. Things have a tendancy to repeat here. Someone says something about the doll, and another person says that they agree, and adds on to it. So I'll do the same. Like what TD Fan said, everyone has paranoia. So wether you take percautions or not, things will just happen, and that's how it will be. If time travel is possible, so is fate. And if my theory on spirits are true, then god exists! And you spelled looked wrong. :3 *shot for this and sentence above*
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Post by Pyro on May 16, 2010 23:36:52 GMT -5
I highly disagree. It is, like TDF said, a version of Pascal's Wager. If you make plans and stay paranoid, nothing will be gained. Paranoia isn't that fun... It keeps you up at night, hours upon hours of planning, then you realize you didn't sleep. You aren't prepared for the day, so if the doll did exist, you would be off guard. And trust me, Paranoia takes massive tolls on your body, it isn't fun... And if my theory on spirits are true, then god exists! What is that theory, because if one thing is true, it doesn't mean another is. We may just want to continue this through PM, though, so we don't go off topic. And if we do talk about this, I will respect your beliefs.
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Post by hydroxianchaos on May 17, 2010 19:43:38 GMT -5
Let me guess... That Raven thing again? Any way, ^^^^^^ nuff said l:
Edit: For me, paranoia is so crazy, I once was awake all night shivering in a corner. like Pyro said, it ain't fun.
[offtopic] And to think I thought of it only because it was about the chances of an image of Rosie O Donald singing resurfacing! I'm serious. I would want to rip my eyes out so that I won't see her. Good thing I'm not crazy enough to do it. [/off topic]
WBack to topic: I think enough was said about it.
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Post by TailsDollFan on May 17, 2010 19:47:06 GMT -5
What is that theory, because if one thing is true, it doesn't mean another is. We may just want to continue this through PM, though, so we don't go off topic. And if we do talk about this, I will respect your beliefs. I want in on this.
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Post by hydroxianchaos on May 17, 2010 20:00:49 GMT -5
I will only say a small bit of it:
I belive that spirits are EM residues of once living things. Some are concious, some are not. This residue comes from the constant radiation of EM energy our body gives off (Nervous System). And if this is true, then there is a one in nine chance that if anything complex enough gives off this energy, then it might be alive. The universe gives off this energy. The energy is the all powerful spirit. AKA: God. And with all of that power, all universes are interlinked, giveing God an infinite capacity for memory and Knowledge. Ta Da, whoop de doo.
Btw, EM energy= Radio waves.
Back to topic.
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Post by Ness on May 17, 2010 20:39:02 GMT -5
Stop Stealing My Line. Go Steal Ray's or something. :l
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Post by Chaosky on May 18, 2010 1:09:05 GMT -5
Interesting theory, it is indeed possible that spirits can exist in this way. It's possible for an infinite number of interlinked universes to be "alive" as well. (Not all universes could be connected like this because of the infinite number of different ways they exist.)
However, I think of spirits as being on a higher dimensional level. In such a state, conscious energies can exist in a wider variety of forms. As for an all powerful god, not just a spirit, I quote myself:
It should be possible for anything to obtain absolute power through gain of power and, basically, by finding loopholes in existence to allow them to control everything.
Your theories have merit, but the one I find interesting is the idea of a conscious universe/collective of universes.
You earn Professor Chaosky's honorary: "Second Stage Fringe Science: Radical Thinker" award.
I recall giving a bunch of others a science award of mine in some forgotten thread. I should make an official awards ceremony and give them out or something.
To know if you qualify, recall whether you have contributed exceptional science and/or logic to something.
That I know about.
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Post by hydroxianchaos on May 18, 2010 3:18:54 GMT -5
Yay!
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Post by TailsDollFan on May 18, 2010 9:59:50 GMT -5
I will only say a small bit of it: I belive that spirits are EM residues of once living things. Some are concious, some are not. This residue comes from the constant radiation of EM energy our body gives off (Nervous System). And if this is true, then there is a one in nine chance that if anything complex enough gives off this energy, then it might be alive. The universe gives off this energy. The energy is the all powerful spirit. AKA: God. And with all of that power, all universes are interlinked, giveing God an infinite capacity for memory and Knowledge. Ta Da, whoop de doo. Btw, EM energy= Radio waves. Back to topic. You fail to actually explain how giving off EM waves actually makes said spirits 'conscious'. After the body is dead, the nervous system becomes incapacitated, unable to produce any more energy of any kind. While your theory relies on the residue of said energy, there will be way less than enough energy to create a secondary conscious being out of EM waves. Also, as humans, we only emit heat and electric energy, there would also be no way for the brain to create such a being as the brain starts death the second you stop breathing, when the brain cells are all killed off and left in a dusty corner of the brain, there will be nothing the brain could project even if it could somehow after death. Also your idea on a conscious universe also fails to actually explain how it becomes conscious. The varying types of energies in the universe is nothing more than that; different waves and energies scattered everywhere. Elaborate on the actual 'conscience'.
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Post by hydroxianchaos on May 18, 2010 15:13:03 GMT -5
Well, about the spirits, have you ever heard of how ghosts are seen usually in certain places? There are things called anti-dead zones, as I like to say it. In other words, there are certain places where all sorts of EM energy (Not all) come together, at similar frequencies. That amplifies the left over energy of someone's EM energy. That's why you don't see ghosts every time someone dies. That would also cause me to crap in my pants every second. And also, the human body gives off this energy like radio waves. When a wire is coiled, it makes radio waves, and if I'm not mistaken, our nervous system is pretty f***ing coiled up. Especially in the noggin. And so: Anti-Dead Zone(Any place that gives off at least one kind of EM energy, like a house) + leftover life/EM energy= Ghost Seeing how complex our nervous is, I think it's all powerful enough with the A.Dead Zone to become alive. And with the Universe thing, if the Universe gives off such a variety of EM waves, the Universe and it's waves acts like a brain, so you pretty much explained what I meant. ZOMG NEW STUPID THEORY If my theory is true, the sun might be alive! Let's just hope the reason why it's sunspots are decreasing is because it's pissed! :l *shot* ZOMG NEW STUPID THEORY 2 Seeing that I have a well respected idea that could be either right or wrong, here is another stupid theory: If the Sun really is alive, Earth might be too, so you might want to stop polluting or eles "Gaia" is going to get a bit pissed off. :l *shot* These are stupid, so I just thought of them. Don't expect too much logic in them. Also, I think that if someone dies abruptly, their energy will linger a bit. And also, if Universes are alive, it could be that when we die, our very ecessnce is dissolved into the universe's spirit, and so that's how you "go to heaven". I think that if we die with more negative energy coming out of us, then we go to where all of the negative energy in the universe goes, and when you go along with it, you will be impacted by this negative power, thus creating the eternal punishment effect.
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Post by Chaosky on May 18, 2010 17:59:42 GMT -5
I still prefer my theories of extra dimensional energies. In another dimension, energy could potentially exist in a conscious form far more easily than it would on our level. It's just hypothetical of course, but I believe it would make sense.
On that note, we might see ghosts when they project their form into our dimensional level (solid hologram) or when they phase sort of "in between" dimensions. They would be between dimensions when they don't have enough energy to stay at their level but still enough to stay out of ours. I've also said that to destroy a spirit (or whatever you want to call it), you would need to destroy it at its level or bring it down to ours. Of course, this just means it no longer "is." Everything is preserved in existence somehow. To destroy that "record," you would need to destroy a part of existence itself. (NOT RECOMMENDED)
This is one of those theories that still needs to be ironed out, but it's on its way. Of course, as you know, this is just a sample of the theory.
Yay... I probably confused you and bored you all to death with a ramble so ill thought out, it's like saying: "We may be in a desert, but we can get food from the replicator I'll build with the materials back at my house."
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Post by hydroxianchaos on May 18, 2010 18:26:39 GMT -5
Actually, I understand most rambles. Its MINE that no one really gets by 100%. And after reading that, it could be that both of our theories are correct in some parts. Like how energy can exist as a consciousness, only yours says how it can at an interdimensional level. I also know what you mean with the whole, destroying a part of existence. The laws of the totality of existence could shatter if a single atom was removed from existence. Then again, it would finally be possible for SEGA to make a good Sonic game exactly like their old ones, if such an event would happen.
Also, do you like my stupid theories?
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Post by weirdo94 on May 18, 2010 19:43:19 GMT -5
OBJECTION!...
The old Sonic games were overrated and suck. :\
*Makes a run for it*
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